A world pop superstar still has to come out of Asia. Many can't be blamed for not trying but the honor has been elusive to Asians. It's a mystery because descendants of Asians in the West were able to make the mark: the latest was the Pakistani pride Zayn Malik but there have been lots of Filipino descendants as well who shone even earlier: Enrique Iglesias, Bruno Mars, Nicole Schlesinger, etc. We certainly don't lack good singers here, but it's just as big a mystery why many of those who became famous here even got famous in the first place. It's easy to see why nobody is eager to gamble for them to spread their wings abroad.
I have neglected OPM lately in this blog. Music is something the Philippines should be proud of. Great talent is overflowing everywhere. But I wasn't fond of what's available in the market lately. Our music business side is lame, it really needs to level up in harnessing all the wasted talent. Many times, I thought it was in the lemonade business- we were often offered the lemons.
But one afternoon of browsing some music videos convinced me Asia might finally have its first serious contender. A simply outstanding voice which got the cracks, the breaks, the hoarseness, the highs, etc. Her voice puts to shame the Beyonce, Shakira, Rihannas of the world. Her looks hint she's Asian but you wonder if there was some Latin there, or even something else, but no matter, she has enough sex appeal & delicateness to melt all your doubts.
I just hope they handle Morisette right. I still have to listen to her sing a good original song. While I am a believer in the birit abilities of Jona, she has the looks of somebody who can be big only in the Philippines. Morisette (frankly, she should use her family name Amon, she looks cheap relying solely on the echo of the name of Alanis Morisette) should be marketed a tad higher than simply a birit singer- but a pop icon.
I first saw the 2012 video of Sam Mangubat about 3 years ago. He had better looks than most of the young stars then, he definitely sang far far better, but he lingered singing covers in the web through the years while the lemons became big stars. I bookmarked this video & I returned to watch it every now & then. Imagine my surprise when I clicked it today & I saw there were already many comments where I read he won second place in a local singing contest. So he was no longer confined to the web. He sounded fuller & surer of himself now, he should have won that contest. The winner sounded he joined a singing contest held in a municipal gymnasium, but that just goes to show, some Pinoys still love lemonade. But we are not talking of lemonade-loving Pinoys here. We're talking of Asians becoming world icons.
I have neglected OPM lately in this blog. Music is something the Philippines should be proud of. Great talent is overflowing everywhere. But I wasn't fond of what's available in the market lately. Our music business side is lame, it really needs to level up in harnessing all the wasted talent. Many times, I thought it was in the lemonade business- we were often offered the lemons.
But one afternoon of browsing some music videos convinced me Asia might finally have its first serious contender. A simply outstanding voice which got the cracks, the breaks, the hoarseness, the highs, etc. Her voice puts to shame the Beyonce, Shakira, Rihannas of the world. Her looks hint she's Asian but you wonder if there was some Latin there, or even something else, but no matter, she has enough sex appeal & delicateness to melt all your doubts.
I just hope they handle Morisette right. I still have to listen to her sing a good original song. While I am a believer in the birit abilities of Jona, she has the looks of somebody who can be big only in the Philippines. Morisette (frankly, she should use her family name Amon, she looks cheap relying solely on the echo of the name of Alanis Morisette) should be marketed a tad higher than simply a birit singer- but a pop icon.
I first saw the 2012 video of Sam Mangubat about 3 years ago. He had better looks than most of the young stars then, he definitely sang far far better, but he lingered singing covers in the web through the years while the lemons became big stars. I bookmarked this video & I returned to watch it every now & then. Imagine my surprise when I clicked it today & I saw there were already many comments where I read he won second place in a local singing contest. So he was no longer confined to the web. He sounded fuller & surer of himself now, he should have won that contest. The winner sounded he joined a singing contest held in a municipal gymnasium, but that just goes to show, some Pinoys still love lemonade. But we are not talking of lemonade-loving Pinoys here. We're talking of Asians becoming world icons.
Grabe, ang gagaling nila. You should feature them more often. I know it"s a cliche but listening to them, Proud to be Pinoy ako talaga <3
ReplyDeleteMalapit na 35 million ang views ni Morisette. Biggest sa mga Pinoy
DeleteDapat nga i-repackage nila si Morisette. Ginawa siyang one of the girls na lang. Pangkaraniwan yong iba, Morisette got so many qualities in her voice she could stand out if given a better deal. Look at the comments in her video, multinational ang fans niya sa music video pa lang
DeleteShe has a better voice than Sarah Geronimo, sings better & I kinda think looks better too
DeleteThe latest nagtry sa international ay si Julie Ann San Jose pero flat ang response. Maski yong push kay Agnes Monica ng Indonesia, wala rin.
DeleteSi Julie Ann ang talagang bumebenta sa Pilipinas pero tila di successful ang international launch niya. Di attractive ang mga music videos na ginawa ng Brazilian director. Ok naman ang song niyang Tidal Wave
DeleteMay angles na kamukha ni Morisette Amon si Julie Ann. Look closely
DeleteMas may sex appeal si Morisette kaysa kay Julie Anne kung ma-package nang maayos, mas may international appeal. Si Sarah naman, may height pero di kaayaaya ang facial features so pang-local lang talaga siya. Saka marami na nakakaabot ng high notes kaya she's not bringing anything special
DeleteThose who became superstars were mostly White & Black. Then the Latins. That should be good news to us, it helps overcoming racial prejudice- We belong in the White-Latin-Black continuum, lying in-between Latin & Black.
ReplyDeleteBruno Mars is in perfect position
DeleteSome of our artists overlap the Latin & a few overlap the Blacks
DeleteAdmin, sana naglagay ka mas bago video ni Sam. Marami siya sa Wish107.5. O yong sa TNT finals
ReplyDeleteWish1075 is doing something big. Its bus concerts have developed a worldwide audience for Pinoy talents
ReplyDeleteMorisette Secret Love Song 34 million views
Morisette Against All Odds 19 million views
Darren Espanto Chandelier 17 million views
Bugoy Drilon One Day 16 million views
Diyan sa Wish1075 nabibisto kung sino may international appeal sa mga Pinoy singers
ReplyDeleteNaku, ngayong nalaman na ng marami ang naniniwala sa wish1075, baka pasukin na ng mga sindikato ang mga viewcounts
DeleteMadaling ihack ang viewcounts sa Youtube so Wish1075 should guard its counts or it will eventually lose credibility if the syndicates get their way to use it for their own agenda
DeleteSira na reputation ng Twitter as propaganda tool. It was just revealed almost 20% of the accounts are fake & are actually bots directed to serve certain agendas
DeleteSira na rin in a way ang YT dahil sa mga Koreanong mahilig pumeke sa viewcounts, pero unti-unting nakarecover na nang malaos nang tuluyan ang mga Koreans. May credibility pa ang mga fresh sites gaya ng Wish107.5 pero kelangan aware sila na magamit sila sa digital propaganda
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17 million views
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We have good singers but we have lackluster songwriters/composers. We need good songwriters/composers that can write good music that everybody will love and appreciate, not just write song that only for Filipino taste. We need good songs for these talented singers to sing. Being good singers is not enough. It doesn't matter if you are the best singer in the world if all your song suck. No one would listen to you. Which is why we need good songwriters and composers to write that killer hit song that will be sang by our talented singers that will propel them to popularity not only in the Philippines but beyond. We need to level up in our creativity and innovation in the songwriting and composition ability. We don't lack good singers but we lack good songwriters and composers that will write that killer hit song that will propel our singers into new heights and popularity.
ReplyDeleteThe admin is not up-to-date with the happenings in the PH Music industry. One way you can be on top of the music industry is if you want to be updated and have youtube account, subscribe to the dozen filipino music label in youtube because all the music label from the philippines have their youtube channel where they release their latest music video or songs. You wont miss a thing if you are subscribe to all those music labels.
ReplyDelete5:27, Obvious naman sinabi mo. Pero marami pa namang magagandang song na nagagawa pero bakit mga kung sino-sino lang pinapakanta. Marami nga magandang song na nasasayang kasi di lang karaniwan ang boses ng kumanta, karaniwan pa mukha. Kaya lubog litaw lang nangyayari, maski yong kanta di napansin
ReplyDeleteObvious nagtatrabaho yan dyan, kaya astang may alam. Kung may alam pa yan, bakit walang kakwenta-kwenta yang pinoprodyus nila?
Delete7:36 PM Alin ang obvious? Hindi obvious yan dahil ang focus ng mga karamihang tao ay kung gaano kagaling ang isang singer, o gaano katalented. No one is paying attention to good songwritng and good compositions, which is a big part of the equation. At anong magagandang song na sinasabi mo? Lackluster song lang ang karamihan na prinoproduce. Tsaka, meron na bang magandang original Filipino made composition na galing sa pilipinas, na naging hit internationally, as far as anyone can remember, Wala.
DeleteMaraming magandang song na nasasayang sabi mo? Dahil naibibigay lang sa di magaling kumanta? Na ordinaryo lang ang mukha? Diba si Charice ordinaryo lang rin ang mukha.
Magaganda ba talaga ang mga kanta na prinoproduce ng mga composers / songwriters natin? Mahirap i-admit pero Hindi eh. Yun nga ang point eh, lack luster talaga ang mga song na prinopoduce natin kaya di mapansin kahit maganda pa ang kakanta niyan, o maganda ang boses ng kakanta. Di mo mapilit ang isang tao na makinig sa isang kanta kung pangit at ayaw niya ang kanta. Hindi rin kasalanan niyan ng mga taong walang talent at di maganda mukha kung in the first place pangit ang kanta at di mapansin. Kasalanan niyan ng mga musicians natin, composers, songwriters, producers, etc. dahil nga lacklustrer ang mga kanta na karamihan naproproduce. Di rin nila kaya makipagsabayan sa mga international musicians as far as creativity at innovation is concern.
Wala rin kinalaman ang pagkasulat ng halimbawa, magandang kanta sa kung sino man kakanta yung song. Kung talagang maganda ang pagkasulat ng song, walang makakabura niyan kahit si Manny Pacquiao pa kakanta, dahil kung maganda ang kanta, maganda talaga. Pero problema, lackluster pa rin ang mga kanta na naproproduce. At kung tutuusin, the number of professional musicians kumpara sa mga nobelty singers katulad ni Kathryn Bernardo o Daniel Padilla ay kukunti lang. Mas marami ang professional musicians kumpara sa mga novelty singers. Pero kahit meron mga nobelty singers gaya ni Kathryn Bernardo, o nabibigyan ng opportunity ang hindi mas deserving, that doesn't mean na gawing excuse yon, at sabihin na di sila (professional musicians and songwriters/composers) makagawa ng magagandang kanta dahil kasalanan ng mga walang talent. Kung di ka talaga makagawa ng magagandang song at lackluster lang ang mga kanta, kasalanan nyan mismo ng mga songwrtier/composers.
Huwag kayong defensive dahil talaga naman na lackluster ang mga song na prinoproduce natin eh.
12:22, may pagkaignoranteka ang lakas ng loob mong maggagaling-galingan
Delete1. Walang Tagalog song na nag-hit internationally? Read about Anak, it was in Tagalog but it sold about 30 million copies in the 1970's. It was in Tagalog, mind you. And it had numerous versions in nany languages sung by well-known singers in each locality.
2. Charice
Sinong nagsabi sa yong sikat si Charice? Naka-record yes pero di siya sikat kasi panget siya
12:23, Yong ibang point, I won't debate kasi superfluous na, mga obvious points which I think you would miss anyway, given how your mind works.
DeleteI just would like to say, maraming magagandang songs dito pero mismanaged sa marketing- given to uninteresting singers, weak packaging, etc.
Anak
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6:16 PM
Delete1. So you been paying attention. Matagal ko nang alam yan Anak by freddie Aguilar, pero let me restate ang sinabi ko, Sa tagal ng panahon wala man lang follow up na original FIlipino composition na naging hit internationaly in the last 10 years?, 20 years?, 30 years?, 40 years? Napaka dismayado naman yan. Mag research ka kung gusto mo, pero the point I made in my comment still stand. If you really think about it, ANG TAGAL NA ANG KANTANG YAN ANAK by Freddie AGUILAR at hanggang ngyon, sa matagal ng panahon, wala pang at least katumbas na success, o at least kapantay na original Filipino hit song kagaya ng ANAK by Freddie Aguilar na naghit internationally. That's the essense of my point. Sheet, something wrong somewhere.
2. Naging sikat si Charice, first asian to have a hit in the Billboard chart she even made an appearance in a popular US TV show in Glee, she was all over the place when she was riding high. She is probably the only Filipino singer coming from PH that has ever attained that kind popularity in the international arena. Mag research ka kung hindi ka maniwala pero I doubt na gusto mong maniwala. Pero tignan mo, kahit pangkaraniwa lang ang mukha niya, it proves na puwede siya maka attain ng level of success kahit sabihin mo pang panget siya. Your not accepting that reality That's just prove that you are being disingenuine. And another thing, sa palagay mo ba GUAPO si FREDDIE AGUILAR? Good looking ba siya na heartthrob siya sa mga babae, o Pangkaraniwan lang ang mukha niya? Pero despite ang mukha ni Freddie Aguilar, he was able to attained all that success with his song and as a singer. O ano masasabi mo ngayon? wala naman kwenta ang argument mo.
6:22 PM Sa madaling salita, WALA KANG ARGUMENT! That would be better.
Delete"Maraming magagandang song dito"(?) na pang lasang Filipino. Pang lasang international audience is a different story. Mismanagement, uninteresting singer or weak packaging is the least of the problem. And again, di mo mapipilit ang mga tao na dinggin o mapansin ang isang kanta kung in the first place PANGIT ang kanta, o Lackluster ang kanta, salamat sa lackluster na mga composers at songwriters.
1:12, Dinadaan mo sa pahabaan ng salita to show may alam ka. The usual sa mga low-educated na Pilipino na dinadaan sa daldal
Delete1.Ang sinabi mo WALANG KANTANG NAG-HIT internationally Eto sinulat mo noong una:
"meron na bang magandang original Filipino made composition na galing sa pilipinas, na naging hit internationally, as far as anyone can remember, Wala. "
Anong wala? Meron, ang Anak. Ngayon palusot ka na luma na, kesyo wala nang iba. Bolahin mo ang pareho mong low-educated baka mailigaw mo...
2. Di na sumikat si Charice dahil pangit. Kasi kung may hit yan, pwedeng nagamit yan para mag-concert tour siya internationally. Pareho ka lang ng mga chipipay na mga Pinoy na nag-guest lang sa mga programa sa Tate, akala mo sikat na. Low-class thinking yan... Tanungin mo sa labas kung ilan nakajakilala sa kanya. wala eh, hanggang press lang. Alam mo naman kung paano mamanipulate ang propaganda
My advice, read more. Then practice your logic
1:12, Kahit nag-hit nang katakot-takot ang Anak, di rin lumaki internationally si Freddie Aguilar dahil sa itsura niya.
DeleteDomestically, pwede talagang sumikat ang mga mukhang ewan. Nora, Jolina, etc. At yan ang problema: hanggang Pilipinas na lang sila.
And now that the Phil showbiz industry is being noticed internationally, what would be the effect of this kind of faces to its acceptance in the different parts of the world? If the likes of Freddie & Charice were not accepted before, will they be accepted now? ...or pandirihan lang tuloy ang mga Pinoy ngayon?
Ok lang ang mga Nora at Jolina noong pang-Pilipinas, at pang-low class, ang Pinoy showbiz...pero napapansin na ito sa labas, iminamarket na ito sa international na so dapat ireinvent mo standards mo...para walang ma-turn off... Kung baga sa basketball, bakit ka magshoot sa malayo kung pwede ka namang mag-lay up? Bakit pag-aaksayahan mo ng oras at resources ang panget na tatanggapin lang dito kung marami namang maganda na acceptable sa lahat ng dako ng mundo? High-percentage play, sabi nga
Delete4:27 PM Anong nagmamagalingan na pinagsasabi mo diyan? Nagbigay lang ako ng opinion ko (na di popular sa inyo) tapos sabihin mo nagmamagalingan na? Sus, ano bang klassing pagiisip niyan. Tsaka ano itong pinagsasabi mo na pinapahaba ko salita ko para to show may alam ako? Kalokohan. Ikaw lang naman ang nagiisip niyan eh. Tapos baliktarin mo pa at sabihin mo low-educated na pilipino ang dinadaan sa daldal kung hindi one-liner ang sinusulat? Baliktad. Sa bagay, napaka disingenuine mo na tao so walang suprisa doon.
Delete1. Nabasa mo ba yung sulat ko? What you just said is beside the point. Don't you realized the point I'm driving at? Sa tagal na 40+ years wala man lang follow up na success na naghit internationally sa tagal ng ilang dekada. Bakit? Kasi Lackluster ang mga composer at songwriter natin. Mahirap tanggapin ito pero totoo yan. Huwag kang mag assume kung low-educated ang tao o hindi dahil wala kang alam para sabihin yan. Nagre-reflect lang yan sinasabi mo sa sarili mo.
2. Kita naman na wala kang alam eh. Puro ka lang malisyoso at assuming at manliit. Hindi naman sa paggi-guesting o sa pagco concert internationally ang batayan ang pagka success niya. Kahit hindi mo ma accept ang pagka success ni Charice (using her as an example) siya pa rin ang pinaka successful na Filipino singer na nag hit internationally. Hindi propaganda yan. Bakit di ka mag research para di ka puro malisyoso at panliliit lang ang arguments mo.
4:35 PM Hindi dahil sa itsura nag-hit si Freddie Aquilar at hindi rin sa itsura kung hindi siya lumaki internationally. Kung sa itsura ang basihan mo eh di sana meron na rin tayong at least a handful na Filipino singer na naghit internationally dahil meron rin magagandang Filipino singer na maganda ang boses nila past, present, and future.
DeleteHanggang pilipinas na lang ang mga singers natin dahil una, wala naman paki at intention ng industry na imarket ang mga singers natin sa international. Sa pilipinas lang ang target audience ng industry. Plus maramot at tipid ang mga producers. Kaya di mo masasabi na dito lang sila sa pilipinas puwede sumikat kung hindi man lang sila nagtra-try ipenetrate sa international.
Yes, the Philippines showbiz industry at least being noticed internationally (somewhat) pero ang industry are nakapa slow to react and capitalized on that. Napaka slow sila to exploit at strategized kung ano ang gagawin nila para matake advantage nila ang developments sa international market. English subtitle nga sa mga trailer ng bagong movie o teleserye nila sa youtube wala man lang. At least yung bagong trailer ng bagong movie ng Kathniel meron na, so that's a step in the right direction. I can't say much about Freddie Aguilar noong nagkahit siya noon 1970's pero mali ka kay Charice dahil accepted siya before at marami rin mga international fans siya na lumitaw noon. She was popular noon at kung meron na itong blog na ito noon popular pa si Charice, tiyak na all praises rin ang sasabihin sa kanya ng blog na ito. It's not necessarily the face of the singer that will make them accepted internationally or not. It's how good their song are or how talented they are, or kung mag click sa mga international audience ang isang singer. Pero seeing na walang paki ang industry sa international market at sa domestic lang ang target nila, hirap pa sabihin, pero it there's one thing that the Charice experience has proven, puwedeng maging accepted ang Filipino singer sa mga international audience bilang isang FIlipino na singer, na galing sa Pilipinas.
4:56 PM Hindi naman ang mukha ng mga singers kung ma accept sila internationally o hindi eh. Sure good looks play an important part of that pero that's not the determining factor kung mag hit o hindi sa international. Ang dapat na i-reinvent ay ang pagii-isip ng karamihang FIlipino na walang respeto sa mukha nila.
Delete4:56, Well, you just proved the point na mahilig ka ng long-winded discourses baka mailigaw mo ang mga punto. Typical talaga sa atin ang ganyan kaya siguro we never moved on. That's why I can see there will be no end to the discussion. So I will no longer belabor my points on the lack of face value of some Pinoy singers who failed internationally like Freddie & Charice, I have already written them in the comments above & I guess any sharp reader can understand them anyway.
DeleteBut I will join you in saying mahina nga talaga ang strategic thinking sa local industry, di lang sa music kundi sa buong showbiz industry. Ang Pinoy showbiz ang pinakamalaki sa Southeast Asia so now that the region is becoming a single market, na pwedeng chance para mapalaki ang market, parang paurong pa ang moves. Habang ang mga artista ng Indonesia (na may 300 million people) at Thailand (70 million) ay nagmumukhang artistang Pinoy noong panahon ng LVN, mukhang pamprobinsiya naman ang mga baguhan sa Pilipinas- I guess the Charice & Freddie experience ay leksiyon na importante ang itsura para ma-take seriously ka, especially sa showbiz
9:33 PM I don't think so. I was only prompted to reply back to comments that people brought up. Maybe all this comments that I'm replying to are all yours. I don't think you have any good arguments to make except to make a fuss how long my reply is.
DeleteWala naman disagreement sa state ng showbiz at music industry except that you people are too hung up on the incoming artistas to the point of discriminating. Takot lang kayong mabasag yung status quo sa TV/film, na illusyon, na lahat ng magaganda at guapo na tao sa television/film ay representative ng mukha ng filipino. You are all living on a lie kung ganyan.
Don't put too much faith in what u read from the Admin as the bible truth. Ang racial stock ng mga Filipino ay essentially identical sa mga Indonesian kaya ang mukha ng mga mistisa/mistiso nila ay kaparehas lang ng Filipino mistiso/mistisa. In fact, matagal na rin nilang ginagamit sa showbiz nila ang mga mistisa/mistisong yan. They didn't just appear suddenly. Sa Thailand naman matagal na rin silang gumagamit ng biracial artista nila na galing sa offspring ng mga dayuhan at local. Matagal ng nangyayari ito sa kanila, at matagal na rin ang mga biracial sa showbiz nila.
Eh, masmaganda nga kung idiversify natin ang mukha ng shobiz o mga artista to closely resemble the itsura ng Filipino population, and by that I mean gumamit ng magaganda at guapo na tao na di galing sa offspring ng puti at filipino, kundi yung filipino na maganda rin o guapo katulad ng Kathniel. They more closely resemble the face of filipino population which is good.
Itsura is important pero the success or the fading of Charice or Freddie is not due to their itsura. Charice made bad decisions that cause her opportunities/career and Freddie is a one-hit-wonder internationally. Ang leksiyon diyan sa kanila ay naipakita nila na puwede pala maging succesful ang isang ordinaryong Filipino singer sa international arena bilang isang ordinaryong Filipino na galing sa Pilipinas.
Ergo, kahit panget, sambahinmo? Kung may maganda ka naman, bakit sambahin mo ang panget kahit nasusulasok ka? Gaganda ba ang panget kung i-challenge mo pandidiri ng mga tao? Ano sa palagay mo bakit nag-superstar na ang punggok at panget gaya ni Nora Aunor ay di pa rin standard ang mga gaya niya sa kagandahan? Di ba naiwan siya ni Vilma nang mag-Burlesk Queen na si Vilma dahil maganda ito at naitsa pwera ang mga panget gaya ni Nora?
DeleteIf youre thinking propaganda is too powerful to change one's basic taste like in beauty, think again. Marami ang presumptions that are just being proved na theory lang but mali in practice.
Fyi, multiracial ang Pilipinas so marami na magaganda na di na lang phenotypically mestiso. Mas maganda nga yong mga multigeneration na ang paghahalo kaysa mga half-half.
Ano sa palagay mo kung bakit di maghithit ang mga Thai gayong nauna pa nanalo sa Cannes ang mga ito kaysa Pinoy? Ang mga kalahi kuno natin (same ancestors lang pero marami na centuries ang nagdaan), bakit sikat tayo sa ganda pero di gaano sila? Kasi meron sa atin talagang maganda. Bakit i-deny natin sila? Again, common sense. Kasi the truth is di naman talaga maganda yong purong Asian lang. May maganda pero kokonti lang. Eh bakit pag-aksayahan mo ng mata, magbabayad ka pa, ang di maganda kung may maganda naman? If you can fool yourself, not everybody is like you
Everyone wants to live in a beautiful house & city, beautifully prepared food, wants to see beautiful places, bakit create a culture na sinasamba ang mga panget?
Delete2:22 AM You mean to say na sinasamba mo ang Puti o mukhang puti dahil tinuturi mong maganda ang mga puti o mukhang puti, while on the other hand you treat your own itsura ng Filipino pangit? No surprise there dahil alam naman ng marami na may self-hate sa sariling itsura ang mga Filipino sa sarili nilang mukha. Pinapatunayan mo/nyo lang yan. May isang foreigner nga na naaawa daw sa atin dahil ang sabi niya hindi raw mukhang Filipino ang mga artista sa showbiz ng Pilipinas at hindi rin daw representative ang itsura na nakikita sa TV/Film ng Pilipinas sa population ng mga Filipino. May point naman yon.
DeleteMay Bias ang showbiz industry, di mo ba alam niyan? Of course ang mananalo ay yung mukhang mistasa sa standard of beauty na gusto ng industry i-dictate sa mga kataohan, na kung mukhang puti ay maganda at ang mukhang filipino ay pangit. Akala ko ba magaling kayo mag spot ng maling nagagawa be it korean sabotaging o Bias na local showbiz industry. Sila ang kontrolado kung sino ang sasabihin nilang maganda at kung sino ang pangit sa showbiz. Nako-conditioned ang mga tao: Mga Puti o mukhang puti equals magaganda o guapo, at ang mga mukhang Filipino naman ay pangit. People repeat that. Di nyo ba nakikita niyan, eh uto-uto pala kayo at renerepeat nyo lang ang propagandang yan.
Fyi, ang overwhelming majority ng racial stock ng mga Filipino ay yung malay-looking pa rin. At maraming artista sa showbiz ay half-half. Tama ka rin na hindi lang yung mga mukhang puti na half-half ang mga mgaganda at guapo dahil meron naman ibang Flipino na magaganda at guapo rin na ang itsura ay close to the general population. Tulad nga ng sabi ko na ang Kathniel fits that category.
Hindi naman sa ganda kung bakit tayo sikat sa Cannes na sabi mo. Narerecognized tayo doon dahil sa film na nagawa natin na nanalo doon, hindi dahil sa itsura. Ang nabibida diyan ay sa talent sa film making hindi sa itsura. And of course kung manalo ka diyan, bibigyan ka talaga ng attention pero hindi dahil diyan sa itsura kundi sa film. Pa comon-common sense ka di mo naman alam pinagsasabi mo.
Sus, wala naman nagdedeny eh. Nasa isip mo lang yan. Kita naman na may bias ka rin sa sarili mung itsura. Tsaka hindi ko naman sinsabi na palitan ang mga mistiso at mistisang artista, sabi ko it could be a good thing to diversify at maglagay rin ng ibang lasa sa mukha ng showbiz para may diversity at mas malapit ang itsura ng showbiz at mas representative sa mga Filipino. Hindi pangit yan at walang mali diyan. Evolution yan. At kung insecure kayo sa ating neighbors na dumadaan pa lang sila sa nadaanan na natin, it only means mas ahead tayo sa kanila. Diversity sa showbiz ay magandng idea yan, sana huwag naman magmukhang foreigner ang PH showbiz kundi magmukhang closer sa local ang itsura. Puro ka di maganda ang purong asian pero ang iniinsulto mo lang ay ang majority na pilipino. Wala ka bang respeto sa sarili mo? Napakalakas talaga ang pagka conditioned sa mga FIlipino na pati sariling itsura nila tawagin pangit. Nakakaawa naman yan.
2:24 AM eh bakit ka naman gagawa ng situation na ang sinasamba ay ang puti o mukhang puti o ang mga mukhang foreigners dahil yan ang situation ng PH showbiz ngayon. Hindi representative sa population ang itsura. Puro ilusiyon.
Delete2:24, Yan ang argument para mapalusot ang mga panget na pwede rin, sabihing di sila mukhang puti kaya ergo, pag di ka rin mukhang puti, tangkilin mo rin sila. Kung maganda sila, pwede- pero paano kung panget sila, bakit pa? Lumang palusot na yan: panget talaga ang mga bago ngayon. Maraming di mukhang puti na maganda sa showbiz ngayon, no need for long explanation, just look. Di included yong mga bagong panget
DeleteJust a proof how dense your comprehension is: sinulat mo
Delete"Hindi naman sa ganda kung bakit tayo sikat sa Cannes na sabi mo. Narerecognized tayo doon dahil sa film na nagawa natin na nanalo doon, hindi dahil sa itsura. Ang nabibida diyan ay sa talent sa film making hindi sa itsura"
Eto ang post ko above:
"Ano sa palagay mo kung bakit di maghithit ang mga Thai gayong nauna pa nanalo sa Cannes ang mga ito kaysa Pinoy?"
Ang ibig sabihin above, kaya di sumikat ang mga Thai sa pelikula worldwide gayong nauna silang na-recognize sa paggawa ng magandang pelikula (like in Cannes) ay ang itsura nila-di sila marketable internationally. Gaya ng si Freddie at Charice ay di marketable dahil sa itsura nila.
As you can see, walang kinalaman sa pinagsusulat mo.
Para lang may masulat ka. Typical: magmatigas lang baka makalusot
6:23 PM Hindi palusot yan. Yan ang totoo.
Delete6:30 PM Ikaw ang di nakaka intendi. Basahin mo nga ulit mga sulat mo at response ko dahil hindi ka yata nakakaintindi, pati ang sarili mong sulat di mo gets. I still stand by what I wrote in my response to you. BTW, Hindi Miss Universe ang Cannes. At tsaka kung magandang itsura lang pala ang kailangan mo para manalo at marecognized sa Canne eh di wala nang kwenta ang Cannes na yan. Gets mo?
DeleteAnak
ReplyDeletehttp://pinoyistics.blogspot.com/2016/01/world-pinoy-pop-classic-anak-in-various.html?m=1
Siguro, kung mas marketable ang itsura ni Freddie, sumikat sana siya internationally. Meaning, importante talaga ang looks
DeleteParang si Charice. Kung maganda-ganda sana eh di sumikat sana
DeleteMukha kasing tsubibo. Actually, mostly alam ng Pinoy kung bakit di siya sumikat kasi nakikita naman nila
DeleteShe fell from grace noong ibinunyag niyang tomboy pala siya. Ayon, wala na nagkagusto sa kanya. Pero before that, she was doing well.
DeleteFreedie Aguilar's Marketability is not determine by his itsura. People who listen to his song doesn't care about how he looks.
Delete8:38, Sa Pilipinas totoo, nobody's disputing that.Just the same, maski napakalakas ng Anak sa ibang bansa, di siya sumikat dahil sa itsura niya
Delete8:35, Litaw-lubog ang case ni Charice. Di naman siya talaga lumaki after yong ingay ng record niya. Not even David Foster could save it, di nag-skyrocket si Charice. Siguro parte ng calculation niya na di rin siya aangat kaya inilabas na lang ni Charice ang tunay na pagkatao. Pero palubog na siya nang magpakatomboy siya
Delete9:09 PM Hindi naman ang itsura ang tinitingnan ng sa taga ibang bansa kay Freddie eh, yung music niya kung bakit siya nagka success sa Kantang "Anak", hindi dahil yung itsura na pinagsasabi nyo. Hindi siya nagpatuloy na sumikat dahil wala siyang naghit na follow-up sa taga ibang bansa. Ever heard of one-hit-wonder?
Delete9:40 PM Di siya nag skyrocket ng masyado, pero she was still up there. She was still being offered projects and doing other stuff, but those completely vanished when she changed and then the tomboy thing happened which completely killed her opportunity. Pero kung Ikumpara mo sa mga Filipino singers ang narating niya, she did very well. Naipakita niya rin na puwede pala maging successful ang isang ordinaryong Filipino singer sa international arena.
Delete12:15, Grabe ang IQ mo. Frankly it's like dealing with a trying hard child. Time to lecture siguro para magising ka how your mind works:
DeleteNoong maghit ang Anak, nagsulputan ang local versions sung by local music giants like Miguel Bose in Spain, etc. kasi walang may gustong mag-launch internationally kay Freddie. Hindi one-hit wonder ng singer ito kundi one-song wonder. Dahil sa panget na itsura ni Freddie, he was never a one-hit wonder as a singer but his song was a hut, kaya kilala ang song pero di ang singer
I hope you got the point, or was that too much?
12:18, I just hope huwag maging standard of success ang narating ni Charice because frankly, wag sanayin ang mga Pinoy na masiyahan sa mga press-dependent na "achievement" gaya ng kay Charice. Taasan natin ang mga parameters ng Pinoy para tumaas din standards natin, di na lang laging uto-uto
Delete1:16 AM Sus, banggitin pa ang IQ, eh mukhang ikaw naman ang hindi nakakaintindi sa sinabi ko. Ikaw ang may kulang niyan. Nakontradict mo rin ang nasabi ng isang kausap ko rito tungkol diyan kay Freddie Aguilar's Anak baka ikaw pa yung kausap kong yon.
DeleteAnyway, Mali naman ang interpretasiyon mo kumpara sa documentary na napanood ko kay freddie aguilar. Be honest, you are just pulling that out of your ass! The song Anak was translated into 26 languages. They did so because tagalog is an unfamiliar language to them that is why there is local translation of the song and sung by local singers.
Yes, semantics, pero ang punto ko ay nagkahit ng song si Freddie Aguilar dahil maganda ang music niya, at yung music niya ay na-a appreciate ng ibang tao sa ibang bansa hindi dahil sa itsura niya kung guapo o pangit man siya. Gets mo?
1:21 AM Wala naman nagsasabi na gawing standard of success ang narating ni Charice. Ikaw lang nagsasabi niyan. Kahit dismissive ka pa sa success niya, siya pa rin ang isang ordinaryong Filipino singer na mas malayo ang narating niya kesa sa mga ibang Filipino singers, past or present. Yes, taasan ng ambition at aspiration natin, sang-ayon lahat diyan. Pero mag give credit where credit is due also and don't tear down your own and don't be liken to that saying that the greatest enemy is ourselves.
DeleteParang ang laro dito, ay sino ang huling magsalita. Parang yong mga promding klase ng discussion. Anyway, I'll just have to correct some of your "brillant" contributions:
Delete"The song Anak was translated into 26 languages. They did so because tagalog is an unfamiliar language to them that is why there is local translation of the song and sung by local singers."
Everybody knows Pinoys are bilingual so what is stopping them in marketing an English-speaking Pinoy? They did, may English version si Freddie but it bombed. Kasi panget eh, mahirap i-market internationally.
So the rest thought why not just market their own more acceptable local singers.
4:53 AM L-O-L lang ang mga taong ito, dahil kapag meron ibang taong may alternative na viewpoint, na hindi sang-ayon o popular sa blog na ito, lalong nanliliit lang mga tao. It must be hard for them to swallow ang alternative na viewpoint. The devil's advocate must be doing something right.
DeleteNo, you may not correct it since you have nothing good to contribute here.
Not everybody knows Pinoys are bilingual, don't be stupid if you assume otherwise.
There is no one stopping the marketing of an English-speaking Pinoy, but the industry certainly is not targeting international market.
6:16, Wag pilisopo. The people who finances these things know Pinoys are bilingual. Kaya nga pinakanta ng Ingles si Freddie pero palpak pala dahil sa itsura niya, di maibenta.
DeletePilosopo
DeleteAnong pilosopo? Irrelevant.
DeleteStill, your statement that "Everybody knows Pinoys are bilingual ..." is wrong.
Freddie Aguilar is not bilingual. The english version suck that's why it didn't sell. It's the song that determines if it's a flop or a hit with the audience, hindi ang itsura niya.
Both sides are arguing from different wavelengths but they are talking of the same thing
ReplyDelete"masmaganda nga kung idiversify natin ang mukha ng shobiz o mga artista to closely resemble the itsura ng Filipino population, and by that I mean gumamit ng magaganda at guapo na tao na di galing sa offspring ng puti at filipino, kundi yung filipino na maganda rin o guapo katulad ng Kathniel. They more closely resemble the face of filipino population which is good."
"Fyi, multiracial ang Pilipinas so marami na magaganda na di na lang phenotypically mestiso. Mas maganda nga yong mga multigeneration na ang paghahalo kaysa mga half-half."
Daniel Padilla is an example of multi-generation na paghahalo ng races sa Pilipinas: Spanish ang lolo sa ama (Padilla), American Anglo-Saxon ang lolo sa ina (Ford). Parang Filipina si Kathryn pero nalahian din Español ito somewhere in her ancestry, idagdag pa ang cosmetic changes which present a contrived Western influence.
Di sila phenotypically mestizo kundi "beautified Malays"because of historical racial mixing in the Philippines
I think that's the point of the latter argument. That a beautiful Pinoy is a result of the multi-generational mixing of races because unlike the British & the Dutch, the Spaniards made it as their policy to hybridize the local population of their colonies as pervasive as possible. That's what's different with the Philippines compared to the other Malay countries: our middle-class/upper-class prior to the OFW phenomenon was mainly "beautified Malay" because of the racial mixing. Meaning, greater segment of the population compared to the rest of Malay archipelago.
The significant portion of artistas in the industry are amerisian or eurasian. Many of this artistas are born in another country. Some don't even know tagalog but they learn it later on. Filipinos who are part or mixed with foreign like spanish are actually very few.
DeleteSome history:
DeleteMost of the mestizo/mestiza actresses came from the lower classes, it was easier to cajole them because the "Beautified Malays" of the middle class didn't want the prejudice. It was easier for the anak of the Angeles belyas & domestic helper in Europe to show her boobs, for instance
But it doesn't remove the fact that the Beautified Malays of multi-generation mixing are more beautiful than the half- halfs. It's good the increase in income has overcome the prejudice eventually. The phenotypes of the Beautified Malays could be Malay-looking like Daniel Padilla to mestizo-looking like Enrique Gil & Gretchen. These are multigeneration mixtures where the bad features were selected out through time.
These Beautified Malays should be the brand of the Philippines because their counterpart middle/upper classes in the rest of Southeast Asia look like the pure Malays in the Philippines. We have the advantage which we should use.
Complaints about too much mestiza/mestizo could be balanced out by relying mostly in the Beautiful Malay segment of the population because they are really beautiful too. So no need to challenge the pandidiri of people by featuring ugly actors/actresses like the new ones now
Kung may Beautified Malay sa Pilipinas dahil sa racial mixing, may Beautified Chinese din sa atin kasi nalahian na rin sila ng Kastila kaya mas maganda sila sa mga purong Intsik o Koreans.Pero ewan ko ba kung bakit di yong magaganda pinili kundi yong mga duling pa. Dapat pinasikat gaya ni Cris Villonco kung gusto nila may representative ang mga Chinoy sa mix ng mukha ng Pinoy
Delete8:51 PM You're basically supporting what I'm saying. But this people who are nadidiri needs to be put in place since they are disrespecting their own every time they expresses their own pandidiri. You can't have people conditioned to hate their own because still, the itsura ng majority na Filipino ay hindi mukhang showbiz.
Delete11:38, Hello, where is your mind heading to... hindi pala mukhang showbiz, bakit gawin mong showbiz? Maski ba panget ang isang tao, di siya marunong mag-appreciate ng maganda? Bakit ito-torture mo sarili mong nakatitig lang sa panget?
DeleteThe way I see it, you're playing to an invisible gallery here, baka madala mo sa simpatiya yong pagka-ubos ng logical exits sa mga arguments mo
Hello back, my mind is the same as before, where is yours heading to? You're not getting it. Hindi yung maganda o pangit ang issue ko dito kundi ang kabuohan ng showbiz dahil ang itsura ng showbiz ay hindi representative sa itsura ng majority pilipino. Sabi nga ng isang foreigner, ang mga tao daw sa tv/film ng PH ay hindi kamukha ng Filipino at tama naman siya. May issue rin ako sa mga taong hindi rumerespito sa sariling itsura dahil ang iniinsulto lang nila ay ang sarili nilang pilipino.
DeleteI would not care one way or the other if i am "playing to an invisible gallery" or not, but judging by the numerous reactions here, i think i've rain on a lot of people's "parade of ilusyons" here. I think I might stick around and get people back to reality.
Bakit kelangan maging representative ang mukha LAHAT ng nasa showbiz ang itsura ng majority ng Pilipino? Yong bida lang naman kelangan maganda talaga.
DeleteSa isang eksena, di gawin mong representative ng sinasabi mong majority ang itsura ng mga bit players. Sa totoong buhay, bit players lang naman talaga ang mga plain lookers, di nililigawan, di pinapansin. Kasi nobody will pay to watch a plain face on the screen, much less gawk at them for free on a street corner.
If you can't understand that there is something wrong with the bulok na systema, then you are part of the problem.
DeleteI think that is what's wrong with the Diversity programs being adopted in the Philippines, blindly followed by non-thinking Filipinos who adopt superfluous "liberal" programs from the West.
ReplyDeleteThe Philipines is well-diversified already, it is well-mixed already. But using the identity politics in the West needlessly create fractures which nurtures false arguments. Like here, classifying people as Filipino just because they look more Malay though their genes say they are a hybrid is an exercise in stupidity.Why, the rest are not true Filipinos? Why not begin your education by accepting that so many races have passed this land, & they mixed, not segregated themselves. No need to separate them again by pretending somebody is pretty just because he's the true Filipino when everybody could see he's ugly. That won't sell anywhich way you fool yourself, look at Nora Aunor. Media as it's turning out now is not that powerful to fool a person's own cognitive capabilities.
The Philippines is a diversity superpower so it should create its own arguments.
You are misreading the intention. No one here is saying mixed Filipinos are any less of a Filipino than Filipino who are not mixed. That's far from it. In fact, I want all Filipino to feel Filipino and to be equal no matter if you are mixed or not. I can even include Filipinos who are born and grew up in other countries (mixed or not) who wants to identify and be a part of the Filipino identity or Filipino people as Filipino even if you don't know tagalog or any filipino dialect. You should read the response from other people who doesn't know how to respect their own itsura, and that's where the response is coming from. Anyway i just would like to point out the Filipinos are still overwhelmingly not mixed. And if you look at the itsura of Filipino people, you will see that it is still predominantly Malay-looking and not mistiso or mistisa looking.
DeletePeople who admit they are ugly are sensible people, they have more peace of mind. The bad people are those who can't, & compensate by being a hypocritical "do-gooder"- they want others to be bitter like them & live a parallel reality where they fool themselves they are also pretty too despite their ugly looks
DeletePity them
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Delete8:35 PM Tinuturi mo bang pangit ang mga Filipino? Yan ang issue. Don't fall into the illusion na mga filipino ay mukhang showbiz dahil hindi naman yan ang realidad eh. Sa bagay, fantasy lang naman ang showbiz eh. Gustong i-decieve ang sarili na mukhang showbiz sila kahit di naman yan ang mukha o representative ng population.
Delete11:35, Hindi iisa ang Pinoy, 100 million yan. Marami panget pero marami rin ang world-class ang ganda. Bakit naman pag-aksayan mo na panahon na nakatitig for 2 hours sa mga panget na mukha? Plain common sense & basic self-respect.
DeleteWe only have a short time in this world so why waste it fantasizing about nightmares?
My contribution.Yong mga panget, pwede silang mag-waiter o mag-opisina, wag sumali sa loveteam kasi makakasira sila sa view. Yong maganda, by all means, do so because we need beauty all around
Delete5:23 PM Karamihan sa 100 million Pinoy ay hindi mix. Hindi naman ang issue ay kung pangit o maganda ang isang tao. Ang issue ay ang representation ng itsura ng showbiz. I-include mo na rin diyan kung papaano nila renirepresent o kina-cast ang isang Filipino sa showbiz (TV/Film) na hindi mukhang puti o mix. Something wrong somewhere.
DeleteNapapatunayan lang na ilusyon ang gusto makita sa TV/Film ang mga ito, kahit na, unbeknownst to them, sila ang iniinsulto ng pinapanuod nila. Ang feedback loop na nakikita sa tv/film reinforces that. If you disrupt that feedback loop, magagalit ang tao dahil masisira ang fantasy.
Delete5:45 PM At yung mga taong kina-cast nila na panget, sino sa palagay ang mga yon?
ReplyDeleteObvious naman. Tinatanong pa ba yan?
DeleteI will repost what's posted above:
DeleteBakit kelangan maging representative ang mukha LAHAT ng nasa showbiz ang itsura ng majority ng Pilipino? Yong bida lang naman kelangan maganda talaga.
Sa isang eksena, di gawin mong representative ng sinasabi mong majority ang itsura ng mga bit players. Sa totoong buhay, bit players lang naman talaga ang mga plain lookers, di nililigawan, di pinapansin. Kasi nobody will pay to watch a plain face on the screen, much less gawk at them for free on a street corner
In real life, kahalubilo naman natin ang mga magaganda, pinagnanasaan sila, sinisilip, pinagjajakolan. You couldn't care less sa iba. That's the reality...and making the iba as stars won't change the reality,(look at Nora, wala na may gusto nang nalaos siya)... Kasi in real life, di naman nawawala ang magaganda because sila naman ang star ng reality natin, & showbiz or wishful thinking won't change that
Delete5:17 PM Di mo ma-gets ang rhetoric.
Delete5:18 PM Palusot ka pa at pa-excuse excuse. sadyang nagbubulag-bulagan ka pa, o talagang mahina lang ang utak mong ma comprehend ang situasyon.
5:35 PM Isa ka pa, puro ka excuse. Pinagtatakpan mo lang ang bulok na systema.
12:33, Reality is hard but at least it pleases your soul when you see real beauty.
DeleteSad, but pure Asians, whatever their skin color or eye or nose shapes are, are mostly not really pleasing to the eye. We know there have been & there are campaigns but generally for nought, di naman sila nagtagumpay, at di sila magtatagumpay. Kasi they don't measure up to what we have in real life- walang magagawa ang media o politika (nationalism, etc) na kumbinsihin ka na magandahanka sa di naman maganda kasi marami namang talagang maganda na nakikita ka for comparison. You can fool yourself kung masasarapanka pero how can you fool yourself kung mandidiri ka?
Simply put... you are conditioned to think that by the same system you are trying to defend. It's only yourselves that you are fooling.
Delete12:33 Is that why you use a stand-in or a imposter to represent you?
Delete2:01, As concession siguro, they should not rely sa mga natututo pa lang mag-Tagalog.
ReplyDeleteKasi centuries nang naghahalo ang mga races sa atin, personally mas nagagandahan ako sa mga mixed na sa level pa lang ng mga lolo nila ay nahaluan na kaysa sa mga half-half. Tingnan mo si Sam Milby, half-half pero nasayang lang pagka-Tisoy, mukhang tagabaryo sa Samar. Sa apat kasing anak ng Caucasian-Asian mixing, may probabibility na kalahati ay mukha ng tatay, kalahati sa nanay.
Yan ang difference natin sa ating mga neighbors kasi karamihan sa kanila ay half-half- which could appear as too Caucasian or too local, as what happened to Sam Milby.
Except for those in Sulawesi & Moluccas, Indonesia expelled most of its hybrids upon independence so most its mestizo actors are too Caucasian because they are half-halfs. They usually don't choose hybrids who didn't look like a Caucasian hybrid. Likewise with Thailand which got its mestizos mostly from the tourists, so everybody is half-half. So the Philippines has this big population of beautified Asians which looked more Asian than Caucasian. Just like the Latinos in Latin America who looked more Latino than Caucasian.
We should develop this Latin Asian variant & make it our brand. May continuity ang mga itsura natin- from the pure to the mixed- while in the others, halatang-halata ang biglang difference ng mga itsura nila, lalo na sa Indonesia na Dutch o German usually ang halo tapos ang iitim bigla ng mga iba sa eksena. Same with Thailand, singkit yong iba tapos Tisay na Tisay yong bida. Sa atin, maski blonde si Quen, makita mo transition sa iba't ibang level ng pagbabago ng itsura ng mga characters- from the blonde, to the semi-Tisoy, to the 1/4 Tisoy, to the 1/6, to the opposite end of the spectrum. So instead of making it our handicap, it is more practical that we should develop it as our plus. It is our badge- the Latin Asians
Kahit sabihin mo pang centuries ang mixng ng races sa atin, at kung ano pang excuses gamitin mo to justify self-deception, the fact remains na ang overwhelming majority ng Filipino ay mukhang malay-looking. Kunti rin lang ang mga mistiso-looking o mix sa atin. At yung meron ay recent mixing lang ang mga yan. Walang nagsasabing handicaped yan, in fact i'm in favor of a U.N.-face of showbiz, pero huwag biruin ang sarili nyo na ang itsura ng Filipino ay mukhang mistiso o mixed dahil hindi yan ang totoong itsura ng majority Filipinos. hindi rin yan ang image ng foreigner sa atin dahil alam nila ang totoo.
DeleteJust review history. Start reading with J Jagor, Fëdor, et al. (1870). "The Former Philippines Through Foreign Eyes",Blackwood’s magazine for August, 1818. From a post in this blog na nasa sidebar,"Soft Hispanics", I quote:"It has an account of conditions in Manila and the Philippines from data given by an English merchant who left the Islands in 1798 after twenty years’ residence in which he accumulated a fortune.
Delete“Your first question, with respect to the Spanish population, must refer to native Spaniards only; as their numerous descendants, through all the variety of half-castes, would include one third at least of the whole population of Luconia (i.e., Luzon–A. C.)
“The castes bearing a mixture of the Spanish blood are in Luconia alone at least 200,000. The Sangleys, or Chinese descendants, are upwards of 20,000, and Indians, who call themselves the original Tagalas, about 340,000, making a total population in that island of about 600,000 souls. What may be the respective numbers in the other Philippine Islands I never had any opportunity of learning.”
That was 1798, 1/3 na tisoy na ang Luzon which is the main population area noon ng Pilipinas, halo-halo na sila noon. Mas grabe ang mixing sa mga isla kasi mga 200 ang anak usually ng hacendero roon kaya nag-i-inbreeding ang mga may halo na. Di naman tumigil ang mixing hanggang ngayon, the earliest chance they get na makasilo ng puti, sinisilo nila kaya malaki rin ang recent mixing. Maski kasi Malay ang itsura (phenotype) dahil sa matinding sikat ng araw dito sa equatorial areas, malalaman mo naman na di puro ito dahil sa mga Latin-like features niya dictated by his mixed-up genes (genotype). Marami ganito sa mga tinatawag na Malay, but now we know, mga presumption lang because they are actually beautified Malays
You are simply working too hard. You are also relying on unreliable and outdated and anecdotal evidence which amount to nothing. If you really want to get the accurate picture, you need to do your research using modern material and modern sources which is more accurate and reliable. You'll be surprised what you'll find.
DeleteAnd again, I stand by what I wrote na: "...the fact remains na ang overwhelming majority ng Filipino ay mukhang malay-looking" (dahil kunting spanish lang ang nakipagmixed sa atin, that's true then and it is still true today).
Ang nakikita natin mukhang mix ngayon ay galing sa ameriasians o eurasians na mas recent ang mixing.
Well, we can discuss that nonstop but more or less we've discussed the important aspects, lalo na ang history and phenotypes & genotypes. Sa Pinoy milieu, di naman nagbabago kung ano ang maganda kahit ano itsura ng artista kasi mahilig ang mga Pinoy sa magaganda at marami nito sa paligid nila. Events are proving di ganyan ka-powerful ang media or top-to-bottom social engineering gimmicks, lalo na pag merong mas powerful variable sa local milieu, gaya ng mga tunay na magaganda. Di pwede yong istrok na maganda RIN yong iba porke kamukha nila artista kung di sila maka-measure up sa talagang maganda. Having said that, opportunity ito para magkaroon ng way ang Pinoy industry to present to the world the real beauties of the Philippines as it gets noticed around the world. So far, we can see well received naman sila. So why not continue with it? Baka madismaya lang sila kung ipresent natin ang mga mukha na maski sa atin ay pinandidirihan ng marami
DeleteParang wala sa discussion nyo ang fact na the moment a Pinay gets some money pa-noselift agad tapos pa-blonde pa pag desperada. Presto, in most cases, mukhang Latina. Less trying hard compared sa other Asians na nagpapablonde na pero mukhang Asian pa rin.
DeleteYour historical presentation is annecdotal. If you really want to get to the bottom of things, you need to look into DNA studies or genetics to give u a better solid picture.
DeleteYou are getting right back to square one.
Hindi naman ang issue ay kung pangit talaga ang isang would-be artista at pinipilit mong maging artista kahit pangit talaga. I've already made that clear from my other posts here.
Real beauties of the Philippines? Ano yon? Yung ameriasian at eurasian looking o mukhang puti? Dahil yan ang Pinapakita natin "around the world" na yan ang itsura ng Filipino. Nadidismaya nga ang iba kung bakit daw mga half-half o mukhang puti/foreigner na di naman daw kamukha ng mga Filipino ang pinapakita. Meron visual gap sa gusto natin ipakita na mukha (beauty) ng Filipino sa totoong overall itsura ng Filipino. Some people have even started to discredit our beauty pangent contestants dahil foreign born daw sila, o may foreign name, o mukhang foreigner. Another example is, may isang foreigner pumunta sa pilipinas. may expectation siyang mga pilipino ay mukhang yung mga tao na nakikita sa showbiz o sa beauty pangeant, pero the moment that person land on the Philippines, na shock daw dahil hindi naman yon yung itsura ng mga Filipino na nasa isip niya ang nakikita niya. As you can see, there is a visual gap problem in the way we try to present ourselves on what we look like to the world, to what it is that the overwhelming majority of us look like. We can try and avoid that visual gap problem if we diversify the flavor in showbiz or other enterprises by adding more beautiful Filipinos (as an addition to the status quo), who are not half-half or looking like puti or foreigners, but beautiful filipinos that resemble more of the majority us. In this way, we can have a more balance look in our showbiz. We can continue with the status quo of using the usual kind of faces, but we need also to diversify to make the face of showbiz a little different than what it is.
6:59 PM You're not giving them any credit. Magaganda rin naman ang mga mongoloid. You, or all of us will gain more respect and admiration if we learn how to give credit where credit is due rather than disparage on other people.
Delete6:56, No need to call the attention of 6:59 because he was only saying that a retokada Pinay has more chance of becoming Latina-looking while the other Asians will still look Asians. Nowhere did he wrote this or that was beautiful. You came too strong, may pa-credit, credit, disparage, disparage ka pa. You thought you were riding a high horse there.
DeleteFrankly, in all races may maganda but that doesn't mean that in all of them, marami ang maganda. Despite the heavy campaigns, I don't think the pure Asian types including Mongoloid are known for their beauty that appeal to a lot of people. There are beautiful ones, I repeat, but most really are not known for their beauty. More like the opposite. Just saying
6:33, You are too concerned sa opinion ng mga ignorante among the foreigners. I remember reading in one of the Russian forums about one who saw for the first time a Pinoy movie.She's Dating a Gangster. She wrote she was surprised by the various types of faces, as if she was watching a Latin American movie. So she researched & she gushed how she fully understood everything when she learned the history of the Philippines.
DeleteIf your foreigner friend complains she doesn't see much of the faces she saw on the films on the actual faces of people in the street, tell her about the history of the country. Or better yet, tell her to read. If she's too ignorant to still appreciate that, then don't bother about her opinion.
Frankly, the visual gap 6:33 keeps on harping is a poor excuse to pander to the low IQ & poor looks of everybody concerned. In a society with a vast spectrum of looks you just have to pick the best to come up with the artistahin. If that means the most mixed is the one, then so be it.
DeleteI remember an incident sa isang party dati, may isang balikbayan na mukhang katulong ang itsura pero pa-sophisticated ang asta na buong pa-intellectual na sabi: "maganda ang Pinay, colonial mentality lang daw ang Pinoy" (she was referring to her looks as the Pinay looks). An inebriated tomboy overheard her & snapped:"Maraming magandang Pinay pero yong kamukha mo, hindi." Tama lang ang sabi. I mean, bakit paasahin mong maganda ang hindi, why not just let her think of her other qualities like her pagka-magaling magluto instead of fooling her she looks good too when she's a dump? I could just imagine the time & effort she wasted fooling herself she didn't have colonial mentality because she found herself beautiful. Why should she even had to think she's a beauty too? Mamaya, baka may balak pang mag-artista tuloy.
The screen should be immune from this useless politics. Punta ka sa movies to watch & you don't want to waste your time on unsightly faces
6:33 AM My comment to 6:59 PM was in reply to his previous post. He/she was simply bragging, and judging by the theme of this blog+comments na pangit ang mga korean kahit ano pa ang gawin nila? Ay mali. Hindi riding in high horse kung sabihin yan, kundi yan ang tama lang na sabihin dahil hindi naman kayo fair eh. My comment still stand.
DeleteSee, that's where you are wrong. People do find it that mongoloid like koreans are magaganda, and many of them are indeed magaganda. People also find them more maganda than southeast asians. I think you are being dishonest here, or you are just believing in your own propaganda.
6:41 AM The incident with the foreigner was not to show if I was concerned with their opinion or not, but to illustrate a point that the face of showbiz, or the face that we want the world to see as us, is not representing us, nor is it the true reality. No amount of history lesson is going to ironed that away if what you got is a bait and switched situation that is not entirely honest.
In your story of the russian forumer, if she had researched enough, she would come to realized that the majority of Filipinos are malay-looking and not at all what you see on TV/Film as representation of Filipinos.
11:50 AM There is nothing to pander to. It is just simply that there is an issue that people have overlooked or are unaware or just in denial of the existence of the situation and don't want to talk about it. There is variations in the spectrum of the faces of Filipinos, but still, and again, the vast majority of Filpinos are overwhelmingly malay-looking. Don't you think that the face of showbiz should be more balance in light of that? I think so.
You can't expect a system whose preference and biased is for mixed or white-looking while others are rejected to be fair in its selection process.
That little story of yours is more of a reflection of the person giving the story, which also served as an illustration to the kind of things I"ve been talking about of people from my other post about the story teller.
Nobody is saying na pilitin ang isang would-be artistang hindi maganda na maging artista. I've already made my postion clear from my other post here. It's not even anyone's business anyway if one wants to be an artista or not.
Maybe what the screen or people should do instead is to recalibrate and reconfigure their views and expectations of showbiz as it relate to them because clearly, showbiz has a face of mukhang puti o mukhang foreigner. Having a showbiz face like that sure is a boon for the skin whitening manufacturers but not good for the Filipinos.
You seem to love saying some people are wrong... And you are not? You wrote a mouthful there, it just shows you are living in a parallel universe, & you must think you are in a higher level. It's as if you suddenly decided you're tired of being clueless & now wants to pretend to be an expert? Well, you basically shot yourself in the head with the crap you've been writing. But no need to bother commenting on what you think, basically palusots which didn't make lusot anyway. Rest on your imagined glory.
DeleteBtw, you must be a pure Mongoloid too to write people see them as magaganda. But...probably, at least qualify that as SOME people finding them magaganda? Really, I still have to meet those people who think like you, even among Pinoy Mongoloids (granted, those I know are mostly mixed btw,including me, & most have had eyelid repairs). I don't find the rush to copy their looks if many really find them beautiful , people actually do surgery not to look like them, including Mongoloids themselves.
I think, all your intellectual pretensions were mainly a cover to make palusot that Mongoloid thing. Kahabahaba ng prusisyon, doon din pala ang tuloy
There's no need to look like the majority or a particular race. It's enough one looks good enough to represent a people with the full spectrum of looks-, if that means more mestizo, then so be it, anyway that is still very Filipino- all that is important is the star has a look that is marketable not only to a gullible set of people but to a wider audience with varying set of prejudice, because this is mainly a business anyway. If it increases sales of whitening products, good for the economy. If it increases plastic surgery, good for the surgeons & soon-to-be beautiful.
DeleteI actually think we should increase our expectation- if our stars goad more Pinays wanting to make silo foreign guys to produce more Tisoys, why that's good. We'll just improve the gene. Meaning, we do concrete steps to look better. That's better than wishfully claiming one is beautiful too despite one's generally ignored looks. At least, we've proven our mixed races produce world-class looks so we should encourage it.
That is not self-hate- wanting to improve an obvious deficit is self-love.
8:46 PM So basically what you are saying is you have no argument (again) so you turn to commenting on the length of my post or make stupid assumptions about stupid and irrelevant things. Typical walang maibubuga.
DeleteKeep guessing, fool. Your deep prejudice and bias towards koreans is only exposing your unfair view of them. I shouldn't be surprised since even people of your own you seem to have little respect for them.
Intellectual pretensions? as palusot for Mongoloids? Only in your mind. There's no one pretending to be "intellectual" here, let alone trying to be one. I thought you are smart.
9:22 PM If there is balance in the make up of showbiz, then sure there is no problem if one doesn't look like a particular race or majority. But the problem is the face of showbiz is lopsided and it does not at all true to the representation of what Filpino looks like.
DeleteDon't you realized what you are saying? You are just giving example to what's wrong here about worshiping puti or wanting to be one, which is just supporting what I'm trying to illuminate, among other things. At least you are honest.
Not being well known does not mean you are not beautiful. One can be beautiful but not well known.
1:18,1:22, well, you must have a lonely life you have no time for vacation and persists with your pretentious posts even on a Goid Friday. And even with all your free time, wala ka pa ring maisip na matino. You create issues na ikaw lang interesado.Useless arguments. Who needs your balance?
DeleteBe prewarned btw that your belated propaganda work for the Koreans are not allowed in this blog. I will recommend to the Admin to delete 1:18 post when he returns from vacation. No need to be fair to the Koreans because they will block you to their propaganda sites when they don't like you. And just saying they even look good makes interacting with you useless because you obviously have a low standard of looks, so it would be a waste of time interacting with somebody of your poor logic & poor taste for beauty.
Again, typical response from someone who got nothing to say, so turns to attacking the messenger and making stupid assumptions again. Funny you talk about time and vacation on Good Friday, yet you have time to respond to my comments? I'm only here to answer replies to my comment anyway. I doubt no one is interested in the issues discussed in my comment thread or my comments. In fact, it is the opposite. Someone even said maganda ang discussion dito, and judging by the many replies, it certainly is busy. People are indeed interested in what I have to say whether they agree with me or not. You said my argument are useless and that who needs balance? You say that because you got nothing better to say. In fact you got nothing to say at all.
DeleteThere is nothing propaganda in what I wrote, only a disagreement on the prevailing viewpoint here. I also don't care if you run to the Admin for help and have my posts deleted.
Can't I even say na maganda rin sila? Only a dishonest person would disagree with that. Maybe you need a good dose of cold water in order to straightened out your way of thinking.
This is also one of the reasons why there's a need to be a check and balance in this blog because the constant disparaging by people in this blog, specially the negativity coming from the comments in the comment area is not healthy to the image and to the promotion of our content and us. It could also create a negative backlash. You won't win any love or support that way with ill-wills. This blog doesn't need a pactard-like or a dutertard-like kind of comments that will only drag it down. There is also a need to temper the self-belief by many people in here that Sila are so pangit and you are so maganda. This has gone so far up in the clouds that it requires tempering in order that it won't backfire in a negative way and harm us in the end.
1:47, Frankly all the points have been replied to previously, you just stretched the conversations. And you think by talking more, you muddled your low IQ & come out swinging you are above everybody. Like in your last post (though I doubt you were the same person because your English is better now, you probably has a master there)
DeleteGranting you are the same person, you only have one issue to float- your so called majority whch were amply replied to that nobody cares because we have already established above that we need beautiful stars, race is not important, that if the beautiful stars were mestizo, so what?
No need to debate with the likes of you- you are clearly dishonest intellectually, & if your aim is to present yourself as the more intelligent by writing more & think by doing so present the forum as less intelligent than the likes of you, well, congratulations, you can dream. This forum is not for insecures or trying hards, it's for the really intelligent ones. They know a lemon from a mere poseur
You definitely can say your low standard of maganda is maganda. Well, we find the Koreans are panget and they are really ugly- so do we really enjoy the company of somebody with lower standards than us? This blog celebrates beauty- & how can everybody enjoy the celebration if one is saying his hossanas to a dog while everybody else were acclaiming the goddeses?
DeletePerhaps you should improve your taste before aspiring to join the group? Perhaps you should join a group with a poor taste like yours? You know, birds of the same feather flock together
Oo nga, may ilusyon pa siya to temper pa raw ang mga tao rito. Grabe mag-ilusyon.Ang dami namang propaganda sites ang mga Koreano, di doon na lang siya, marami tanga roon. Kabaro niya. Baka mabayaran pa siya di swerte siya. Maggagaling-galingan siya rito akala papatulan siya
DeleteHindi, gusto lang ni 1:47 na dinggin nyo yong balance na sinasabi. Actually, meron na naman yan pero di lang maganda ang response ng tao. Pero mas marami pa rin ang mukhang native. May 150 Pinoy films per year, karamihan ay Indies kaysa mainstream. Yon nga lang, they were given the chance pero nangibabaw pa rin ang mga magaganda who admittedly are mixed. Well, that's very Pinoy kasi maski saan man sa Pilipinas, nalahian ang mga magaganda sa probinsiya. Napapansin lang masyado ang mga mestizo ngayon kasi marami ang dual, yong mga anak ng mga OFW, pero marami naman ang homegrown dahil sa history natin. Isa pa, pagkatapos ng mga kampanya, mula sa Malay sa panahon ni Nora at sa Mongoloid campaign for the past 20 years, parang nagsawa na ang mga tao sa mga karaniwang mukha at naghahanap uli sila ng talagang magaganda. Bunsod na rin ng internet age na by the click of the mouse, napagkukumpara mo instantly ang mga mukha. Very hot ang mga Latina ngayon at marami tayong mukhang Latina. Panahon nila ngayon kasi nagsawa na ang tao sa mga karaniwan
DeleteDi na dapat issue yang native vs mestizo kasi since 1970's, mas maraming native ang na-discover. For the past 20 years, may Mongoloid campaign din (kaya nga nakasakay ang mga Koreano) pero sa huli, alam pa rin ng Pinoy ang magaganda. Noong sumikat ang mga magagagandang Pinoy, naitsapuwera na ang mga karaniwan kasi ang Pinoy sanay na sa maraming ethnicities yan, melting pot tayo, alam na natin ang talagang maganda. Nakakasawa na ang mga trying hard, walang silbi ang kampakampanya at propaganda pag kulang talaga...dapat yong talagang kaaya-aya na sa mata para maglabas tayo ng pera at manuod
DeleteOne more thing, yang definition ng mestizo ay masyadong strict sa Pilipinas. Nagulat ako sa sabi minsan ng kaibigan kong Colombian na mestizo si Pacquiao sa kanila. Kasi dahil sa paghalohalo sa kanila, anybody na di mukhang Amerindian doon (na maitim at singkit), anybody na nalahian ay mas maputi, mestizo ang tawag maski di masyado Europeanized ang features.Kasi di naman natin alam ang genetic history ni Pacquiao, baka may ninuno pala siya na Guardia civil Saka puwede namamg may Europeanized din ang features ng isa pero ang namana niya ang melanin propensity ng mga Malay o Amerindian, di mas maitim naman siya lalo na nasa equator tayo gaya ng Colombia pero mestizo pa rin siya.
DeleteDapat kasi di na isyu yang kung sino ang mestizo at kung sino ang native kasi mahirap na pati genetic history ng bawat isa ay kakalkalin pa. Importante lang kung panget ba siya o hindi. Eh kung talagang mas maganda yong Europeanized ang features, eh so what? Dapat matutunan ng ibang Pinoy na tanggapin sila. Na I think tinatanggap naman ng karamihan, iilan lang naman ang hindi
3:31 PM Still nothing to say again except more of the usual nonsense and low IQ's and quality of english and more stupid assumptions. And now you are even paranoid. Keep guessing sucka. If you think you've replied to all the points, then leave and stop replying since YOU are only stretching the conversation, but I guess you just couldn't stay away from this thread can you?
DeleteThat's right, nobody cares about the issue and hence here I am, and you know what, I've ruffles some feathers. I can see why people might be angry but that's good. Having beautiful stars and having mestizo or one's race is not a problem but when you have a bulok system and a showbiz and sheeple that perpetuate a bulok na systema is an issue worth looking into.
It's not me that is the dishonest here. Why don't you look in the mirror and you'll see one. Judging by your comment(s) and your constant concerned for who's more intelligent and who has more IQ, I think you are the one who is very much insecure. You think this forum is only for intelligent people? L-O-L that. From what I've seen in this forum and other forum of this blog, this forum looks more like a circus than anything else.
3:39 PM Sure, sure, I get that. But what you say is pangit, it's not pangit for others. Only a handful of people here are saying they are pangit. That doesn't make them pangit.
Delete3:56 PM It's the other way around. Walang nagmamagaling-galingan dito, nagbibigay lang ng ibang alternative viewpoint, at gaya ng sabi mo, to temper ang mga tao dito.
Delete3:56 PM Indie and Mainstream are two different beast. And what are you talking about? Indie film is the reason why Philippine Cinema is making a comeback (which is considered to be dead) despite little support from the public who would rather support a Vice Ganda mainstream movie than a quality-made movie. Indie films is also the one that is bringing recognition to the Philppines thanks to the awards and accolade they've won and gained over the years. Ang mga mukhang latina ay partido na rin diyan sa mistiso at mukhang mistiso. Dati nang ganyan sa atin noon pa.
Delete5:38 PM Unhealthy nga sa Pinoy na ang tinatanggap lang na mas maganda ay ang Europeanized. Baliktad eh. Dapat matutunan rin nilang tanggapin na magaganda rin sila. Hard to believe na mistizo sa kanila si pacquiao? Mag pacheck up sila ng mata.
Delete4:19, Hindi lang sa Pilipinas di kumikita ang Indie, throughout the world yan. May nakita ka nang Indie na top grosser sa Amerika o Japan o anywhere? Human nature yan. May gusto lang ma-entertain, may gusto sa ibang hilig. Obvious naman kung sino ang mas mabenta
Delete12:38 AM Di mo alam ang pinagsasabi mo. Diyan nga sa labas ng bansa kumikita at bumabawi ang indie film dahil walang sumosuporta sa Pilipinas. Hindi sa top grosser kumita ang mga indie film kundi sa mga distributer na gusto idistribute ang mga film ng indie.
Delete11:38, Alam mo ibig sabihin ng muddy the issue? Yan lang ginagawa ng mga arguments mo, hanggang may pumapasok sa isip mo, gaano ka-irrelevant, hihirit pa rin bakasakaling makalusot. Matagal ka nang supalpal pero trying hard pa rin.Very provincial.
DeleteAgain, I repeat: Indies generally don't gross much everywhere, yan ang sinabi ko, di ko sinasabing di kita yong kakarampot na kita nila abroad. Maganda sa media ang mga write-ups tungkol sa mga success ng mga indies pero they never guaranteed these would generate the pull of the usual mainstream hits. Again, hindi lang sa Pilipinas, Indies generally don't earn much everywhere
Pa muddy muddy the issue ka pa, eh sino ba ang nagpapasok ng ibang subject diyan? Tulad ng Indie Film. Eh di ang mga ibang comments na nagrereply na renereplyan ko. I've been very consistent from the beginning so don't give me that same old, palusot at pa provincial provincial, pa trying trying hard ka pa, it's getting old. Try ka ng iba naman.
DeleteI was talking about the PH Indie situation because that was from the original comment from that person who brought it up. Pero sa tanong mo na: "May nakita ka nang Indie na top grosser sa Amerika o Japan o anywhere?". Of course meron. In fact, there is such a list of the top grossing Indie Films annually. Not as gigantic as hollywood hits but they are top grosser nonetheless. So that settles that.
And of course the risk is always there for indie film, just as mainstream film is not immune to risks and we have seen so many mainstream flops before. Indeed, indie films everywhere doesn't generally earn as much in comparison to mainstream films (who says otherwise) that is why I said Indie and Mainstream are two different beast. That's just the nature of the beast. But the difference in the earnings of indie film vs mainstream is irrespective of the mukha that someone try to pin as the reason why it is so. The indie film "Dukot", starring Enrique Gil didn't even fare well even after ABS-CBN help in the promotion. "Honor Thy Father" didn't even break even kaya lugi. So much for that argument.
But what is in it for PH indie film is that an indie film is able to make some money off of overseas sales, and more often than not, nakakabawi sila doon at meron pang profit, not anything to brag about, but enough that makes them happy and motivated to do more films. One recent example of that is "Honor Thy Father", it didn't break even locally but nakabawi sila overseases and they even made some profit.
My comment still stand.
12:23, Lol, you can also talk about the moon para humaba. That can also stand siguro hikhikhik
DeleteBo ho ho. Halata naman wala kang maibubuga.
DeleteNaks, ang ganda discussion dito. Sana mawala na ang mga panget na mga loveteam. Pwede naman sigurong ekstra ang mga panget, siguraduhin lang na sa gilid-gilid sila ng kamera para out of focus lang sila ...para madaling i-ignore na lang sila ng madaling mandiri. Kasi di lahat ay matapang ang sikmura
ReplyDeleteat sino naman ang pangit na love team ang tinutukoy mo? puwede ka rin siguro mag-extra itsura mong yan.
DeleteLol, nasulat sila somewhere sa artikel na to. The LAGIM KIDS
Deletehttp://pinoyistics.blogspot.com/2017/03/gabi-ng-lagim-hot-loveteam-thing-turned.html?m=1
The article didn't named names. So who are the pangit love teams you are talking about?
DeleteWala lang . pang 100 post ito
Delete1:12, he must be referring to the Comments, some loveteams were named there
Deleteyou people must name names when referring to someone so that you don't generalized and hurt other love teams in the process.
DeleteWow,131 na posts. Sikat pala si Morisette?!
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